Possible long travel kits

[bebe]

Chevy Colorado Long Travel Kit (2x4) by Brenthel

Ford F-150 4x4 Long Travel Kit by Brenthel

You all should note the differences between the two kits and the price.

If you can get a 4x4 kit for 3K you be crazy not to do it.

 

[ALPHA of JONESY]

Subscribed. I want to do this so bad, I hate the limited travel and vendor support of our rigs and Brenthel makes bad ass ****, just not alot for 4x4's.

 

[bebe]

In the top pic - did anyone notice the tie-rod? Look closely, then look at mine

 

[bebe]

Subscribed. I want to do this so bad, I hate the limited travel and vendor support of our rigs and Brenthel makes bad ass ****, just not alot for 4x4's.

There is a reason for that - it's not easy, nor is it quick.

 

[06 H3]

In the top pic - did anyone notice the tie-rod? Look closely, then look at mine

The pic that in the opening post from gunick? It looks like a stock inner tie rod aftermarket outer under the knuckle. Yours is over the knuckle and one piece

 

[bebe]

Yep, but look at the angle at full droop...a snapper for sure.

 

[Gunick]

Yep, but look at the angle at full droop...a snapper for sure.

I see it now, hopefully that's something they address in R&D!

 

[bebe]

And also notice they are using a lift knuckle on the Colorado, which can be had from Rancho, or like Brenthel did, fabricated a lift knuckle. That would allow them to address the tie rod angle, but they need to be careful...the reason the tie rod ear is kicked back is because of the location of the rack and pinion. It's forward of the diff an mounted fairly high.

 

[06 H3]

Yep, but look at the angle at full droop...a snapper for sure.

true, I wonder why they didnt just flip it...Theres probably something in the way

 

[Gunick]

That pic is off the ford kit, maybe they're just used to ford stuff breaking anyways :emb:

 

[twinmill28]

Now you're talking--and I was recently asking why something like this wasn't available yet for the 3.

I understand what '06H3 was saying about reliability of the center section, but I gotta think for this set-up and the intent of a long travel front end, you're not as concerned with grenading the gears because the intent of long travel set-ups is to go fast, not put them under extreme rock crawling, mountain climbing duress---though being able to do both is always the best of both worlds. This is why you see so many 2WD long travel set-ups, those trucks are built for speed and huge jack rabbit leaps---and yes it would be mega cool if you could teach an H3 to jump like a grasshopper!!

Anyway, I'm happy to see the H3 getting some much needed front end love. I've been humoring having another H3 sometime in the future (it would have to be an Alpha), and all you folks sorting out the bugs only makes it look alot tastier.

The H3 front end is always the one thing that gives me lingering heartburn when I think about why I don't miss my 3. Well, ok, the front end and that freakin' anemic inline 5 cylinder that the '06 model was cursed with......

 

[bebe]

true, I wonder why they didnt just flip it...Theres probably something in the way

The shock

 

[ALPHA of JONESY]

There is a reason for that - it's not easy, nor is it quick.

Oh I know and my hat goes off to those willing to take the time to engineer a system that is superior of any stock set up.

 

[backcountryislife]

talking about the F diff... if you can keep the wheels on the ground that much more I'd hope you'd be less likely to shock load the diff... and get more life out of it.

Some pretty cool stuff if there were a nice simple kit for these.

 

[06 H3]

2016 wrangler may ditch the solid axles....if they do there will still be the SAS kits but I can hope companies hop on board and make ifs kits the right way...like the ultra 4 guys

 

[Zach]

**** 2wd....lol

Just now saw this and missing the whipping boy. Tag you're it Aren't you currently 2wd?

And vent showed up late today. Going out tomorrow.

 

[06 H3]

Just now saw this and missing the whipping boy. Tag you're it Aren't you currently 2wd?

And vent showed up late today. Going out tomorrow.

It's not by choice...lol

 

[cdarveaux]

Id like a long travel kit thats a pretty cool idea.

 

[Mb30sdl]

I think IFS for light trucks and light offroading. In my opinion SA is the way to go for Big tires, hevy offroading. IFS has too many moving parts and angles to make it last with out braking.

 

[06 H3]

IMO, its the OEM design. they stuff weak crap underneath almost all 4x4 IFS rigs.

[video=youtube;bHV_cJMRZeE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV_cJMRZeE[/video]

Here you unleashing over 400 hp and bouncing your way up, no broken tie rods, no broken shafts or ring gears. This is the way IFS should be built, I know the housing alone is $1400 and axle shafts being quite a bit too. In the end you get a setup in the same ball park as your SAS cost.

IFS is here to stay. Only 3 4x4s come stock with solid front and rear axles. Ford F250/F350 Dodge Rams and the Jeep Wrangler. After seeing Jeep Wranglers redesign in interior I wouldnt be surprised to see it get IFS too. An article came out on the 2016 possibly getting IFS.

I can think of 3 possible outcomes. 1) they stick to their heritage and stay solid axles F/R 2) they ditch them or 3) they offer an option. F150s and Dodge ram 1500s have IFS but the bigger models have solid axles. Maybe its an option.

If they go IFS we will see a lot of SAS kits out there or hopefully IFS technology is then further advanced.

 

[amrg]

Any updates from the vendor? I may also be interested.

 

[Gunick]

Any updates from the vendor? I may also be interested.

I've emailed them this morning to see any updates as far as some specs. Most I'm assuming will be estimates until we rally the total number of people they're looking for to get R&D started.

 

[speedy]

IMO, its the OEM design. they stuff weak crap underneath almost all 4x4 IFS rigs.

[video=youtube;bHV_cJMRZeE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bHV_cJMRZeE[/video]

Here you unleashing over 400 hp and bouncing your way up, no broken tie rods, no broken shafts or ring gears. This is the way IFS should be built, I know the housing alone is $1400 and axle shafts being quite a bit too. In the end you get a setup in the same ball park as your SAS cost.

IFS is here to stay. Only 3 4x4s come stock with solid front and rear axles. Ford F250/F350 Dodge Rams and the Jeep Wrangler. After seeing Jeep Wranglers redesign in interior I wouldnt be surprised to see it get IFS too. An article came out on the 2016 possibly getting IFS.

I can think of 3 possible outcomes. 1) they stick to their heritage and stay solid axles F/R 2) they ditch them or 3) they offer an option. F150s and Dodge ram 1500s have IFS but the bigger models have solid axles. Maybe its an option.

If they go IFS we will see a lot of SAS kits out there or hopefully IFS technology is then further advanced.

Shannon's rig is well over 600hp:whaa: The front end on his first ifs car was a cool 30k hub to hub.:giggle:

That car ran 42" goodyears

I think you guys are Wasting Money on any design that does not address the weak center diff and half shafts.Been there done that.
Flame on:giggle:

 

[06 H3]

Whoops. Lol so 3x more power then us. A tire 7in bigger.

Your right though, your still left with a POS front axle. This would be better for the desert guy who has 4wd with 35s, extra travel and coilovers for better tune-ability. Not as much for rock bashing...

 

[4speedfunk]

I think you guys are Wasting Money on any design that does not address the weak center diff and half shafts.

Absolutely!

Making a long-travel suspension while leaving the stock diff in place is putting lipstick on a pig.