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Snow Chains on AWD

Nevets1119

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Hi, so to make along story short I've had a couple AWD vehicles but this is the first AWD SUV my others were Audi's. On Audi they Highly recommend not using chains ever unless absolutely necessary and to only go 25mph and below when they are on due to the Vibration exc.... Is this also true with the Hummer, I mean I understand the speed and everything to drive at as I used to drive my Duramax with 35" tires with chains all the time. Can I put chains on without worrying about the differentials and or other drive train parts being affected? Thanks
 

skeptic

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I think the only real concern if you keep the speed down is tearing up the truck. Meaning, the chains hitting stuff or even worse, a chain coming partially loose. I'd expect the same for Audi, just not a lot of clearance. I have 35" Duramax tires as well and I wouldn't want to run chains, I get a slight rubbing at full lock and I'd be afraid of actual damage if I ran chains.
 

SuperBuickGuy

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I run chains, but I have 33s - on the Audi, it's just like skeptic said they just don't have the room to run chains... with that said, those plastic, spider chains might work
 

Nevets1119

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This is not an AWD SUV......

4 wheel drive all the time

"AWD" and "4 wheel all the time" are the same thing except that "4 wheel all the time" is used when the vehicle is also equipped with High and low 4x4, and the differential are obiously then bigger as well. The general useage of "AWD" that I used was referring to the "4x4 Auto" button on the Hummer that puts the differentials out of "4x4 high and low" and into the "AWD hwy/fwy city" normal driving point.
 

Nevets1119

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I run chains, but I have 33s - on the Audi, it's just like skeptic said they just don't have the room to run chains... with that said, those plastic, spider chains might work

At full lock with 33"s and chains do you rub? I'm narrowing down my tire choices for my Alaska trip any info would help. Thanks
 

MTUH3

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MY stock 33" Bridgestones slightly rubbed on the sway bar at full lock as stock. Nobs on my 35 rub a lot more, so I would expect you to rub with chains
 

Nevets1119

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H3s have a 4x4 auto button on them?

I thought is was only 4x4 open, 4x4 locked, and 4x4 low

Yes you are correct, but 4x4 Open meaning all four wheels are spinning just power has been transferred, is also the meaning of AWD. 4x4 open and AWD mean there is a power percentage split between the front and rear. Also again 4x4 open is referring to a AWD vehicle with High and low 4x4 meaning the 4x4 would have to remain open to allow for normal driving. I don't know the exact percentages for the H3 haven't looked them up yet. But the power split is usually 70-75% Rear and 25-30% front which is why the traction control works to bc of the way our differentials work it allows the traction control to send power to one wheel or 2 or 3 to correct a spin slide exc..... changing the power percentages per wheel while in motion. When you are in High 4x4 the power transfer is 55-60% rear and 40-45% front and in low the split is 50-50% which is why the rear locker works so well when it come into play when equipped on this vehicle, bc it allows for better traction in the rear while also having more power in front, the combination on this vehicle with its weight and good tires is pretty great.
 

Nevets1119

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MY stock 33" Bridgestones slightly rubbed on the sway bar at full lock as stock. Nobs on my 35 rub a lot more, so I would expect you to rub with chains

I'm putting in shock spacers new shocks and a 3in" lift before I leave will it still rub the sway bar as it'll be slightly elevated and the angle slightly steeper?
 

Nevets1119

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H3s have a 4x4 auto button on them?

I thought is was only 4x4 open, 4x4 locked, and 4x4 low

I stand corrected on my initial assessment of the H3's drive train. Here is the difference between AWD and 4x4 all the time you were correct as was I. The differences used to be, AWD as a general rule does not have a t/case that supplies a low gear ratio(no 4x4 as i said). In addition, AWD systems have a system, using either clutch packs or electronic solenoids to vary the amount of torque between the wheels(As does the traction control on the H3). Example, with an AWD system, where the primary drive axle is the rear, it can vary the torque between front and rear. Most of these systems have about 10-15 percent of the torque to the front wheels, remainder to the rear; however, this can be varied up to 50/50 by either clutches that slip, or a solenoid controlling a circuit via input from a controller. Same is true with a primary front wheel drive vehicle.

Full-time 4x4 (like Hummers), have a t/case that offers a lower gear ratio(4x4) and takes manual input from the operator of the vehicle to change the front/rear(Electronic control) torque ratio.

Now, since 2005 with the car industry and the SAE boards, there have been some new systems released that are a combination of AWD with full-time 4x4(H3) so the waters are getting murky. However, Hummers, per SAE designation, can be classified just as full-time 4x4 vehicles or AWD. And Hummers split is as so- 4hi - 40/60 split on the power front/rear
4hi locked - 50/50 split on the power while still in a higher gear ratio so you can drive a higher speed than rock crawling such as a snowy road
4lo locked - 50/50 split on power with lower gear ratio for low speed crawling type situations
 

Nevets1119

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Thanks for the info and help, going to go with Duratrac 33's and .75" wheel spacers and go with a high speed chain that way it's alittle thinner and will allow for 35-40mph speeds. Spacer will push the tire out alittle more making enough space for the chains to clear the sway bar. When i get them in i will post up pics.
 
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