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Uneven tire tread

clifford_H3T

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'09 Hummer H3T Adventure 5cyl 109k 4-inch Rancho.
Recently rotated my tires and noticed some wear on the outer edge of the passenger tire after some miles. Is a little bit normal or would an alignment fix the problem? Do worn out ball joints cause the issue? Of course, I want these tires to last as long as possible so any help would be appreciated. Thanks guys.

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Jeepwalker

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I'm not seeing in your pictures what you're specifically asking about. Can you be more specific? When you run your hands on the treat (lengthwise) are you feeling unevenness in that direction (some treads are worn down more than others)?

Or is it that some tread blocks on the outer edge of the tire stick out further than others? (which is part of the tire design ...of course (to reduce harmonics/noise)).
 

clifford_H3T

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I'm not seeing in your pictures what you're specifically asking about. Can you be more specific? When you run your hands on the treat (lengthwise) are you feeling unevenness in that direction (some treads are worn down more than others)?

Or is it that some tread blocks on the outer edge of the tire stick out further than others? (which is part of the tire design ...of course (to reduce harmonics/noise)).
It's the darker area on the very outside edge, the wear is rounding off the edges. I don't know if a little is acceptable or if the alignment is off. Does 32-34psi sound a little low for 35's? I may try to bump them up to 44ish to see if that makes a wear difference.

Here's a pic I found on google of a more severe case and this is what I'm trying to prevent down the road.
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08H3

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Honestly, I see nothing in your picture to be at all concerned about. Looks normal. Check over your suspension components. If everything is good, I think you're alright. If you haven't had an alignment in a while, it never hurts.
 

Jeepwalker

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Ok, those last pictures are a little better angle, I see what you're talking about. Yeah, I haven't had that before where worn tread (presumably scuffed) is hanging over the tread blocks. If I had to guess I'd say your wheels are towed in too much and they're scuffing as you drive down the road. Or, the Caster is off (spindle tilted too far forward or backward) and when you turn sharp (parking lot), your alignment is binding and the inner wheel (when making a turn) is turned in too far (pulling the rubber outward to the edge of the tire). When you visually look at the front wheels do they look out of alignment at all? What about when you turn them sharp? Does it feel like it's binding when you turn sharp?

Thing about the H3 is setting the toe is a compromise. At static ride height, the tie rods are at ~15 degree angle (downward). So when you hit a bump and the body goes down, the tie rods become more parallel and it causes toe-out ...the tires actually splay outward! This happens under braking too. Way moreso than most vehicles where the tie rods are typically parallel to the ground. The reason the H3 is this way is for greater wheel articulation, esp off-road. So what a shop has to do when setting alignment is shoot for the middle ground when setting the toe: Good down the highway but not too far toed-in, and not too far out (won't wear the insides of the tire) when braking and the body dips down. Breaking puts a lot of wear on tires. In addition, if your H3's alignment & toe was good BEFORE, and you or someone raised the front end up on their H3 to add some clearance, that would increase the angle of the tie-rods and pull the front of it's tires inward (increase the toe-in). That could cause the scuffing that is shown in your pictures. Anyway, w/o being there, it's hard to know for sure. That's my keyboard assessment of what might be going on. Take a look at your H3's tie rods and you'll see what I mean.

If you're a DIY guy, you can adjust your H3's toe-in easily yourself. I've adjusted and tweaked my H3's toe-in many times. Only takes a few minutes. Use a tape measure across "like" treadblocks on the front, and at the rear of the tire. Make sure your H3's steering is straight and vehicle is on the ground (can't set toe on jackstands). Rock it forward & back a little (roll it by pushing) to take any preload out of your wheels/steering ..before you begin. You don't "Need" toe plates to do the job. Just do it on level ground. Sure toe plates would be nice, but so would a hoist, $20k of Snap-on tools and a pile of gold bars ..lol. I set mine to a schootch over 3/16ths ...maybe like 5/32nds, difference front-to-rear. That's with a 285 tire. Remember # that gets divided by two ...so the actual 'toe-in' at the front is half of what your front-to-rear differrence is. Hope that's not confusing. Using a tape measure sounds crude, but some dealers actually do it that way to set a quick toe. I've seen them do it. Me and a buddy had pit passes at an Indycar race (in Milwaukee) years ago, and I personally witnessed pit crews setting the toe on a race car literally 8' in front of me! Yeah, with a tape measure. So if it's good enough for an indy car that goes 200mph, it ought to be good for my lumbering H3 LOL. There's videos how to do it. Make sure all your suspension is in good condition.

Like I say, inspect all the components (or have them check it) before you take it in. And if you take it to a shop, replace what needs to be replacing first. Or if you DO take it to a shop, I'd ask them in advance, if they'll install parts you buy ...and YOU pre-buy all AC Delco parts (as needed). At least then you know what's on there. Explain to them you can't just go to any old parts store nowadays and get parts (or at least goog MOOG or GM parts). I'd be careful what alignment shop you choose. One which has an old-school alignment guy who's finicky as he// is the one I would choose. A chain alignment shop ...I just haven't had good luck with them. Some of those guys are young & just apes with tools or not picky enough. I'd personally replace anything that needs replacing myself prior to taking to an alignment shop. And I'd watch them the whole time they were doing the work.

Good luck. Hope it helps. Sorry for the long response.
 
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Jeepwalker

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Note, I made a jig for each front wheel which kind of looks crude (it was simple/fast/cheap) but it is precise ...and makes setting toe-in quick and easy. Just lay the tape across the bars front & rear. I have several vehicles, so having an adjustable jig for different size wheels ....it works for me.

If I were re-making the Jig again, I would fab up the adjustable ends in a different way & out of steel. Wood dimensions can change due to humidity changes ..even though I used dry wood. I always double-check it (prove-it) by setting each jig against a large window in the garage and ensuring the height of the bar ends are the same. Steel wouldn't change per humidity. Small details, but in the name of alignment precision... just sayin...

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650Hawk

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Those last pics were not his, they were something he found on the net to show what he's meaning.

I honestly don't see the same thing on your tires, although it's hard to judge just from a pic. If you are seeing something that concerns you, then it might be worth taking it in to a good tire shop and having them take a look. As for your psi, 32-34 is too low for sure, which could be contributing to abnormal wear on the outer portions of the tread. I'm actually surprised your TPMS isn't going off with the tires that low (unless you've disabled it); mine goes off if pressure drops below 36. Try running it up to at least 38-40 psi.
 

Happy Hummer

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I looked but didn't really see anything. Of course I might not be getting what your pointing out.
When I think of wear on the tires I think of scrubbing or chaffing or the like. I've got some toe in/out issues with my Jeep xj and the tires wear weird. I've attempted several times to correct it but...oh well it is old lol.
Tires are very subjective things.
 
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